[Cytometry] FW: Aria II or an Influx

Deborah.Shapira@csiro.au Deborah.Shapira at csiro.au
Thu Feb 18 00:07:01 EST 2010


Hello fellow flowers

It seems that there is a diversity of opinions here. First of all I would like to observe that if a company publishes a white paper on the advantages of their product over a similar product then of course it is going to look a lot better than the competition.

Having said that it seems that there is a consensus that output is operator dependent. Sorting at high speed (or any speed for that matter) is never a simple proposition and institutional managers who believe that you can buy an instrument at Lamborghini prices (thanks Howard) and think that anyone can walk up to it and produce beautiful clean sorts is living in Cloud Cuckoo Land. Therefore, the prime consideration is operator training and experience. The next important thing to consider is customer and engineering service support. Some of the smaller companies provide excellent services even at long distance so these should not be disregarded because of company size. Other larger companies use in-house specialist teams to support their high-end instruments.

Well that's my rant and I hope you enjoy your new toy whatever you decide to buy.

Regards
Deb

Deborah Shapira

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-----Original Message-----
From: cytometry-bounces at lists.purdue.edu [mailto:cytometry-bounces at lists.purdue.edu] On Behalf Of Karen Yuen
Sent: Wednesday, 17 February 2010 11:56 AM
To: Cynthia Guidos; Cytometry at lists.purdue.edu
Subject: Re: [Cytometry] FW: Aria II or an Influx

Hi Cynthia and other flowers,
 
I haven't worked on an Aria, but would like to comment on a couple of
things that Cynthia posted as disadvantages of the Influx and to offer
her a couple of tips. We run a Diva and two Cytopeia Influxes in our
core facility.

"cannot sort 4-ways (we can only get 3-way sorting to work) despite
being billed as such" - we regularly sort four ways, yes its a little
difficult sometimes when side streams are misbehaving due to the cell
type sorted, but it can be done into 5ml or 1.5ml tubes. If side stream
separation is an issue, we take the collection tube holder and place it
directly on the "floor" of the collection chamber. That bit of extra
distance can be the difference between targeting properly or missing the
outer tubes.

"compensation is manual, so more than 4-colors makes sort set-ups
impractically long" - we regularly run 5 or 6 colour sorts. Manual
compensation can take a little while when the operator is new to
multicolour work, but you get used to it and operators can get quite
quick at it. Compensation is no problem for us on either our 3 or 5
laser Influx. Issues with compensation can also be solved with the
lasers you select, eg running PE and PE tandems off a 561nm laser to
reduce spill into blue-excited colours.

"camera position not adjustable, so can't view shorter break-offs
generated with larger nozzles - implication is that it only sorts small
cells (like hematopoietic cells) well" - we also regularly run 90um and
100um nozzles, in fact we use them more often than 70um nozzles! If the
camera range cannot show you your break off (which can happen to us)
it's usually a setup issue rather than a failing of the camera position
and we can solve this by taking off the nozzle and starting again. But
usually the camera position range is adequate.

Hope this helps!

Karen Yuen

FlowCore
Monash University
Clayton, Vic
Australia

 
-----Original Message-----
From: cytometry-bounces at lists.purdue.edu
[mailto:cytometry-bounces at lists.purdue.edu] On Behalf Of Cynthia Guidos
Sent: Wednesday, 17 February 2010 9:50 AM
To: Cytometry at lists.purdue.edu
Subject: [Cytometry] FW: Aria II or an Influx

Hi

In addition to pro's and con's already pointed out I would add the
following about the Influx (we also have several Aria-II's, a Mo-flo and
Mo-flo XDP):

Major advantages of Influx:
1) extremely stable break-off
2) sorts at much higher speeds than Aria (so does Mo-Flo XDP)
3) more flexible laser configurations
4) small size allows encasement in BSC for enhanced biosafety

Major disadvantages:
1) cannot sort 4-ways (we can only get 3-way sorting to work) despite
being billed as such
2) compensation is manual, so more than 4-colors makes sort set-ups
impractically long
3) camera position not adjustable, so can't view shorter break-offs
generated with larger nozzles - implication is that it only sorts small
cells (like hematopoietic cells) well

So the decision should be influenced by your specific needs.  For
example, in our facility all human samples must be sorted within BSC.
While you can purchase a large "walk-in" BSC to house an Aria (as we
have done) - they are expensive and take up a lot of space.  Thus the
Influx or XDP both allow BSC containment without sacrificing as much
space.  If you need to sort large cells (eg., solid tumors), can't do it
on the Influx (at least the version we have), but XDP or Aria is fine.
If you need to sort based on more than 3-4 colors, compensation is a
pain on the Influx (the flexiblity of adding extra lasers and PMTs is
wasted until they improve the software).

Bottom line - the Influx is a great choice for if you will primarily
hematapoieitc cells and need only 1-3 way sorts with less than 4-colors.
Otherwise,  go with a Mo-Flo or Aria (which each have their own pro's
and con's too!

Good luck!


Cynthia Guidos, Ph.D.
       Senior Scientist
       Program in Developmental & Stem Cell  Biology and
       Scientific Director, SickKids-UHN Flow Cytometry Core Facility
       Hospital for Sick Children Research Institute
       TMDT Building (East Tower), Room 14-312
       101 College Street
       Toronto, Ontario M5G 1L7
       PH: 416-813-5026
       FAX: 416-813-8823
       http://www.sickkids.ca/Research/Guidos-Lab/index.html


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      Naomi Strobach (naomi.strobach at sickkids.ca)
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From: cytometry-bounces at lists.purdue.edu
[cytometry-bounces at lists.purdue.edu] On Behalf Of Moody, Pamela
[moody at cshl.edu]
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 3:52 PM
To: cytometry at lists.purdue.edu
Subject: [Cytometry] Aria II or an Influx

Hi Everyone,
We currently have an Aria II SORP and a FACSVantage DiVa in our
facility.  We are trying to decide between an additional Aria II SORP
with 5 lasers or an Influx.  If anyone has experience with both of these
instruments I would appreciate hearing some feedback on them both.
Specifically why you would choose one over the other.
Thanks for your help.
Regards,
Pam

Pamela Moody
Manager, Flow Cytometry Shared Resource
Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory
Hershey Building
One Bungtown Road
Cold Spring Harbor, New York 11724
Phone: (516) 367-8477
Fax: (516) 367-8461
Website: http://www.cshl.edu/cancercenter/shared_resources.html



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