[Citizendium-l] Include in Citizendium a built-in bibliographic database manager for authors & editors
dgoodmanny at gmail.com
Mon Oct 30 02:15:46 EST 2006
Until very recently, Reference Manager was the only commonly used program
that had true network capabilities, including
multiuser access to the same file.
Individuals do not need a copy of the program, and the files are maintained
on a local server.
Other programs resided on one's individual computer, and sharing files was a
nuisance. The current version of
EndNote also has limited networking capability, though not multiuser access
to the same file.
I have used Reference Manager in the network mode, when it was unavoidable,
and the central capability
did make for convenient use no matter
where on the internet you happened to be, like Google spreadsheets. In all
other respects I consider it a very
troublesome program. It is most useful if you start it from scratch as you
search databases--manual entry of
references is exceptionally tiresome. I've never tried importing EndNote
files into it--it could undoubtedly be
done, but the length of the instructions is intimidating.
On a stand-alone basis, I and probably most people strongly prefer EndNote.
But i have no experience with it in the
shared mode, and nobody else will have very long experience, as the feature
is new this year.
Endnote works on a Mac or a PC. RefMan only works on a windows PC, tho the
new Intel Macs should have no problems.
It would be quite a nuisance for some of us to need to work on a PC, but it
would provide a good reason to get a newer mac.
as far as I know neither of them work on any version of Linux or unix.
There is another product from the same company called WriteNote, about which
I have no experience. It is supposed to operate on
PC, Mac, or Linux, and is entirely web-based. Some of its key capabilities
work only on windows. It seems to be a low-end product.
On 10/29/06, Bob Futrelle <bob.futrelle at gmail.com> wrote:
> I've always used EndNote. What is the difference between EndNote and
> Reference Manager? Would RM be preferred for CZ (as I abbreviate
> Citizendium in own notes).
> - Bob
> On 10/29/06, Anthony Sebastian <Anthony_Sebastian at msn.com> wrote:
> > Sunday, October 29, 2006
> > Dear Mr. Sanger:
> > I have participated in the Citizendium forums (as Anthony.Sebastian) and
> > have suggested in the technical forum consideration of incorporating a
> > bibliographic database manager (BDM) in Citizendium. I received
> > responses. Incorporating a BDM, like Reference Manager, Endnote or
> > Pro-Cite, would greatly assist author/editors in including
> > in the text, and in generating reference lists. Most academics I know
> > depend on the functionality of BDMs.
> > Citizendium's BDM would allow authors/editors to cite while they wrote,
> > automatically generate reference lists, and search of many online
> > from outside sources (e.g., Library of Congress, individual university
> > library catalogs, PubMed, Agricola, LexisNexis Academic). An enormous
> > number of such databases exist (e.g., see
> > http://www-sul.stanford.edu/catdb/alldata.html#l), giving author/editors
> > access to millions of citation-sources for documenting their articles.
> > Citizendium's BDM would allow easy copying of citation-sources
> > books, websites, etc.) from those databases to an article's individual
> > database.
> > Citizendium needs to make it easy for an author/editor to render her
> > scholarly and authoritative, to maximize the quality and instructiveness
> > the article, to facilitate completing the article, and thus to
> > the growth of Citizendium.
> > Below, see a letter I composed to the president of Thomson ResearchSoft,
> > maker of the three major BDMs, urging him to contact you to consider the
> > possibility of incorporating the functionality of Reference Manager into
> > Citizendium's writing tools. I would not transmit it without your okay.
> > You might want to consider a different approach if the BDM idea appeals.
> > Sincerely yours,
> > Anthony Sebastian, M.D.
> > Professor of Medicine
> > UCSF
> > To: President of Thompson ResearchSoft
> > Dear Sir:
> > You undoubtedly have heard of Wikipedia, the online, user-developed
> > encyclopedia. The premiere science journal, Nature, gave it high marks
> > comparison with Encyclopedia Britannica.
> > Now, the originator of Wikipedia, Larry Sanger, has started a new
> > Citizendium, targeting more authoritative articles. See his introductory
> > essay: http://citizendium.org/essay_shorter.html.
> > The start-up team has not incorporated a bibliographic database manager
> > their writing tools for authors. That oversight will make it much more
> > difficult for expert authors to reference their articles
> > I believe they should incorporate Reference Manager in Citizendium. I
> > expect a mechanism of incorporation that precludes private use of the
> > program, so that it would have no negative effect on your sales of the
> > product. Indeed, as users become familiar with the use and
> advantages of
> > Reference Manager (e.g., Cite-While-You-Write, internet searching for
> > sources), they might want to purchase a copy for their own use. In any
> > event, your company would get a lot of public exposure and free
> > I would urge you to contact Mr. Sanger (sanger at citizendium.org) and
> > possibilities. Yours and his technical teams could work out the
> > issues.
> > Perhaps you would consider donating the product functionality, once you
> > the potential of its success in establishing an authoritative,
> > updated online encyclopedia.
> > Anthony Sebastian, M.D.
> > Professor of Medicine
> > UCSF
> > _________________________
> > Anthony Sebastian, MD
> > Anthony_Sebastian at msn.com [preferred email address]
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